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  Quote sarah louise Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2012 at 02:39
Cool tubes work best when they are run separately from the room extraction like this....



There is no intake fan, air is drawn through vents around the bottom of the tent (you can see one in the background) passively by the partial vacuum created by the exhaust.

Is it getting so hot because of the half-open cooltube and will be OK when I add the filter and ducting on the other side of it?


No, it wont get better by sticking a carbon filter on the open end of the cool tube... it will probably get a bit hotter as the carbon filter will slow the air movement further.

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  Quote assinomen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2012 at 18:15
In physics the principle of the exhaust fan is that it pulls air better than it pushes it so i would take the fan out the closet .. cos you have more space, mount the fan as near to the final out let point,ie at the end of the line,when a fan has to push air it is less efficient so put it at the furthest point and you will get better exraction people who use an in let fan have to make sure it is a least as powerfull as the exhaust.think if you have a large weight on a rope it is easier to pull it than push it.i am not sure whether that silver bundle in the closet is the fan if so move it outside the closet..
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  Quote sarah louise Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 01:55
Originally posted by assinomen

In physics the principle of the exhaust fan is that it pulls air better than it pushes

Where there is significant resistance it makes sense to pull, rather than push, air eg. I have my centrifugal fan set to pull air through a carbon filter (high resistance), but have my inline fan setup to push air through the cool tube (low resistance) to reduce noise at the outlet and so the hot air is not run through the fan.

Placing the fan close to the air outlet will magnify the audible noise on the far side of the outlet.
 
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  Quote assinomen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 03:40
  

Placing the fan close to the air outlet will magnify the audible noise on the far side of the outlet.
 
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as my outlet go,s up the chimney noise is not a problem for me personaly ,but  thats a good point which makes sense,so there are varaibles and i would agree that if your outlet is going outside then it would  be better as you said,its good to have an intelligent approach,its all about stepping back and seeing all the angles;thats definatley one to put in the notebook.
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  Quote Oscar bobo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 04:15
Thank you sarah louise and assinomen!

I prefer to have everything inside the closet, both for stealth and for less noise, so I guess I'll leave my exhaust inside, only reposition (and box) it... :) .

After your recommendations, and after seeing the current temps in the closet test I ran, it does seem  much more reasonable to setup the bathroom 4" fan just for the cooltube cooling. Too bad I was advised by my grow store to set it up like that... oh well, not a big deal.

My only new problem is this: I now will have a 4" hole in the left bottom of my closet, just open... You guys advised me to have 2 passive intakes twice the size of the outtake so that means I should have two 8" holes as intakes in the bottom of my closet?
And how will I prevent light and all sorts of bugs from coming in through those open holes?
Is it really necessary to have two 8" passive intakes in my closet, in your opinions and from your experience which I lack of?

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  Quote 1966 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 12:00
In my temporary grow area i pinned nylon socks over the intakes to help with light entering and to stop critters also getting in and actually gave them a couple of layers which did a pretty good job.
The biggest problem that i am having is that i expell my air straight outside and when it comes to cooler weather this could be picked up by by thermal imaging cameras so i am trying to devise some kind of heat management into my out-take.
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  Quote Oscar bobo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 17:57
Originally posted by kph1966

In my temporary grow area i pinned nylon socks over the intakes to help with light entering and to stop critters also getting in and actually gave them a couple of layers which did a pretty good job.
The biggest problem that i am having is that i expell my air straight outside and when it comes to cooler weather this could be picked up by by thermal imaging cameras so i am trying to devise some kind of heat management into my out-take.
Good luck and have a good weekend.


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And that nylon sock doesn't slow down the air from coming in/out?

I will expell my air to the same room the closet is in, so I don't worry about thermal picking, though I'm a bit worried weather this will change that rooms' climate, like make it more humid and hot...? But I hope it will be fine...
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  Quote breizh ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 20:40
i dont know for the thermic heat;but for the nylon sock i use the same tip and all is ok and it help against critters and dust. BG.
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  Quote assinomen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 20:40
boilers etc  kick out heat plumes i dont think the thermal eye in the sky will be looking at that   ,they are looking for large areas of anomlous heat from the lamps themselves.
there are plenty of ventalation systems kicking out heat .i did a piece on venting through your chimney breast, if you have a chimney breast for a fireplace they usualy have a plastic flyscreen,you can take this off and put your exhaust duct out of that.
depends where you are in the world ,most house/apartments have a flue system for gas fire,s and in older houses a lot have been blocked,but they have a plastic air vent for fresh air circulation.so you can put your flue out of that. its natural for heat to come out the chimney stack on the roof,and its that high up the wind takes the smell away 50feet up in the air.if you have a gas fire you would have to disconnect it and you could connect your duct with the duct at the back of the gas fire.if you have an old fashioned fire place you can get into that ,via the covering board or vent/flyscreen.you dont want to recirculate ex gasses out the tent and back into the inlet duct..have a survey of your room and see if there are outlets to the chimney etc.let me know the layout i could tell you he best option  i spent my whole life as a builder so know the internal layouts of exhaust ducts ,or take a few pics and post them .maybee i could help..  
most apartments/houses have internal ducts to expell fire fumes/air con etc if you could describe your room,i could advise you where to get the ex gas out sometimes you can go through the ceiling into the roof space,but you have to vent it out from there.ppl have been busted cos of mould forming on neighbours ceilings.if you check your room for fresh air vents etc post some pics.i did a explanation on "ventallation through chimney"search for that in ..indoor growing...
if you exhaust out of your tent into the room the exhaust gas will be sucked back into the inlet pipe.even making a box around a window/blacked out with the exhaust fan at the bottom will dispell the ex gas out the window, the thermal image camera will not see this as weird,otherwise every house in town would be raided..
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  Quote 1966 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2012 at 22:14
Hello Assinomen i hope you are well.
Its a out building and i have insulated walls with 4 inch of insulation fibreglass mat as well as about 10 inches above the ceiling installed fire check fire retardent plasterboard and then covered the walls and ceiling with Megalux ADF infrared proof reflective sheeting.
My concern is that because it is not attached to the house there should not really be any reason for the heat signiture.
You have a good evening.
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