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    Posted: 25 July 2012 at 14:41
I'm a legally licensed grower with fifteen years of experience. I grew Sensi Seeds' Mother's Finest for nine years before my last mother plant passed away. As the most comforting type of pot to the medical patients I grow for as well as one of my personal favorites, I've put a great deal of effort into reacquiring the MF strain. I have spent hundreds of dollars in this pursuit.

Unfortunately, all of the seeds from the three packs of MF I've purchased have been completely inviable. I've had better than a 90% success rate with seeds of other strains I have gotten and even the freebies sent with the MF packs have all grown quite well. A couple MF seeds began opening but never grew roots out of their shells. I tried a different retailer each time with the same results. Most recently, I purchased seeds from someone who acquired them directly from Sensi Seeds, in order to get the freshest ones possible. I'm getting the impression that Sensi hasn't created new MF seeds for many years and that the seeds being sold are very old.

I've avoided posting negative comments about Sensi in the forums I frequent, just in case it wasn't their fault. At this point, however, I don't see how the blame could lie with anyone else.

I'm still open to suggestions or discussions of the situation but if Sensi Seeds won't take any action to fix it then people need to be warned that the company sells dead seeds.
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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 July 2012 at 16:47
Sorry to hear about the non-performance of your MF seed, that's a disturbing report. Especially the fact the non-viable seeds came from three different resellers. I assume you're outside the EU if you're exclusively using resellers.

I have heard a few reports of Mother's Finest germination problems over the last couple of years. That's not enough to require a full recall, particularly when we can't reproduce the problem in test germination (which has been the case so far), but it is noticeably more than any other Sensi/WL variety in recent memory. If the problem was really widespread, we should have heard dozens of complaints, so it doesn't seem to be affecting a large proportion of seeds. Still, even a few reports from reliable sources are a serious problem for those growers.

Test-germs are usually done elsewhere, but I'll try to do one myself in the coming days, as I want to see for myself.

The thing is, the seeds we have in Amsterdam are definitely fresh (and yes, new MF seeds are being made), so problem-free germination on this end doesn't change (or answer) your complaint. Nevertheless, I'll try to get some pics up.

One possible reason for your unacceptable results is that while MF is popular, it's usually not a strain that gets really high-volume sales. New seeds are being made, but it's quite possible that several resellers have old stocks (particularly if they're under the impression that new ones aren't being made or aren't available).

The real problem with resolving this is that you seem to live outside the EU, which makes direct resolution from Sensi almost impossible. Any chance you'll be in Europe in the near future?
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  Quote lightsfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2012 at 06:41
Hey Jellyman,I feel ya bro!. Have U ever shopped the "Tude" in the UK? I know A dude who got some MF to pop recently! They rotate stock & keep nothing over A year. They give away the old beans depending on how much $ U spend... Good Luck!
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  Quote Jellyman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2012 at 11:11
I've spoken with two growers in the EU who have encountered the same issue with MF seeds, not to mention local growers. I haven't actually found anyone who purchased MF seeds recently and had at least a third of the pack germinate. I've spent alot of time looking too. More growers I've mentioned it to need me to explain what MF is than have even heard of it.

Of the people I've chatted with, most of them blamed the reseller before hearing that others have had the same problem. I certainly did the first time I received a dead pack. I've read about someone getting a seed to grow and people like him who get a viable seed are much less likely to contact Sensi about the DOA ones. The few growers that buy this fairly obscure strain, don't get a single viable seed and realize Sensi is responsible are more likely to simply cease business with the company rather than believe that complaining will truly cause them to change their business practices.

I would be happy and forget all of the troubles I've had doing business with Sensi Seeds if I could find just one place to get a single fresh pack of viable MF seeds. I'd pay a hundred and some odd dollars for the fourth time and then spend years making both myself and many very sick people much happier. Hell, if I knew for certain that someplace had entire packs of live seeds, I'd buy half a dozen of them.

Lightsfan, I certainly have tried Attitude. They were the first retailer I went to after losing my last MF mother. I blamed them before I tried other resellers and found that none of them were at fault. I did, however, take them up on their return policy that they advertise on their site. After following their instructions and paying for return postage, they took my money and basically told me to go f**k myself. I'll never do business with them again.

The most recent order I put in was with Sensible Seeds. They were very polite and responded to my questions faster than anyone else. They had some of the best prices I found. Sensible assured me that they acquire all Sensi Seeds direct from Sensi upon a customer ordering and do not stock them in house. Unlike all of my previous MF orders, the seed pack came in a nice little green Sensi Seeds box and arrived swiftly. Same results- dead seeds. Every freebie they sent was growing within two days.
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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2012 at 14:57
Originally posted by Jellyman

Sensible assured me that they acquire all Sensi Seeds direct from Sensi upon a customer ordering and do not stock them in house. Unlike all of my previous MF orders, the seed pack came in a nice little green Sensi Seeds box and arrived swiftly.


I'm not involved in orders or wholesale, and of course I can't definitively state anything about a reseller's business practices, but this does not sound very likely. If Sensible sells any sort of volume (and since your MF arrived promptly) it seems highly impractical for them to be making an order with their suppliers every time they receive an order from customers. Since they seem to be based in the UK, the logistics would be a real pain, and this practice would add days or even a week or two to every order.

At a guess, Sensible might not keep large stocks of seeds (since they resell for dozens of breeders), but they'd probably have to restock from a local wholesaler who does keep large stocks. As I said, I'm guessing and regardless, it doesn't solve the problem at hand.

BTW - you mention Sensible was the only reseller to deliver Sensi Seeds in their original cardboard box. Did the other resellers at least keep the seeds in their blister-packaging, with tamper seal intact, or did they repackage the seeds for sending?

Also, is ther any chance that you still have any of the inner seed packaging? The title card to which the blister is attached should have numbers stamped into the cardboard. If you have records of any of the pack-numbers of your unsuccessful MF seeds, this might help ID when they were made.
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  Quote Jellyman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2012 at 16:29
I, of course, can't be certain of the truth of their statements. I had asked them the same question about a year earlier and basically received the same response. To get the most believable replies, I phrased my questions to retailers like, "Do you stock Mother's Finest seeds?" That way it sounds like I'm asking if they sell them at all. It was 3-4 business days after the order before the pack was shipped. Still, they could possibly store seed packs. For all I know, it could just be some fat guy in pj's sitting at his PC who runs across the street to the local head shop whenever he gets an order.

The other two businesses I ordered from in the past year did indeed send the seeds in their blister packs, unopened. All of the packs of MF that I've ever received have come that way. I've ordered five packs of MF in my lifetime; three recently since my clone mother died, one in '03 and one in what I think was '07. The order at Sensible was the only one to ever come in the nifty green box.

Yes, I still have the pack. It's stamped "158".
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  Quote Jellyman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2012 at 16:41
Here's a copy of their response:

Hi XXXXX,
              Sensi have a British based distributor who hold their entire range of stock. When you place an order we order from them and get it in the next morning.

Kind Regards,Paul
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  Quote lightsfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2012 at 08:58
WOW! Damn Bro, sorry 2 hear that!. When U did shop the "Tude" did U select the "leave in breeders original packaging", box when you were checking out? I have only bought Sensi Seeds, A few @ A time,from this seller anyway, in the pick & mix section,(no MF) so they must break the packs open to make the orders. However, I have bought entire packs of other brands, & they came unopened,& breeder sealed. I just assumed they would mail out the nice green,sealed, Sensi Seeds boxs, if asked to do so... I guess iv been lucky, as all the stuff iv bought, from them, has popped,& im talkin $100s spent, but iv never ordered MF. My friend says he put 5 MF in wet paper towel & 3 of them popped. Hope somethin works out for you soon, GOOD LUCK !..
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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2012 at 09:34
Originally posted by Jellyman

Here's a copy of their response:

Hi XXXXX,
              Sensi have a British based distributor who hold their entire range of stock. When you place an order we order from them and get it in the next morning.

Kind Regards,Paul


That's pretty much what I said. If they're getting them pack-by-pack, order-per-order, then they can't be getting them direct from Sensi. Sensi doesn't have a distribution centre in the UK (or anywhere outside Holland), so they're getting them from a larger reseller.
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