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    Posted: 31 October 2004 at 16:32

Many people ask about hallucigenic buds and if they exist and how they can be grown or what strain to use to grow them with. 

 

Firstly, they do exist.  They can be grown, and it is not necessarily the strain you use that does it.  It is not the genes, it's the means by which you grow it.

 

Growing cannabis that is truly hallucigenic does not have much to do with the strain. They can all do it - any decent strain that is in the class of Cannabis.  Many of the strains that SensiSeeds have are more than capable of doing it, if they are grown in the correct manner in which they require to achieve this.   Be it indica or sativa. Though with Sativas you are more likely to succeed as they have resin balls on the end of their tricloms that are of a smaller diameter than the resin balls of an indica.Sativas are 25micron in diameter - Indicas 75micron in diameter, when fully developed, respectivley.


For a better understanding of what I am refering to, please go and read this - it is the most pioneering work of our times on this subject - and is correct down to a Tee. Read it thoroughly and understand everything it is depicting, as it will elevate your complete understanding on how REAL hallucigenic cannabis is grown. It is not the genes - it is the means by which it is done. Irrespective as to what all other works/text and seedbank-advertising has said or outlined about it till NOW.


http://marijuana-optics.greatnow.com/

http://seedless-marijuana.greatnow.com/N35Lat.html


http://seedless-marijuana.greatnow.com/litesetup.html


http://seedless-marijuana.greatnow.com/litepic.html

 

In regards to the type of uVB tubes that can generate levels of UVB light that equals the sun's and more, the following is a description that is meant only for thought.  It should not be attempted in an indoor enviroment as it is far too dangerous using these tubes that are the only type that can effectly simulate the sun's UVBs at the level it create's them.  This is only for the purposes of reference only,  and not for application or practice by indoor unqualified and lightly protected growers.

There are proper Fluorescent UVB(and UVA) tubes available and they're much more expensive than the UVA and the standard ones(4times or more the cost). Never run them on Energy-saver or Econo running gear as that produces less lumen output with any fluro. But be very careful when using the UVB tubes. If not for the slightly glowing tube when they are on, you could hardly tell they were on in the room - they transmit entirely in the invisible wavebands, whereas UVA tubes, MH and HPS transmit low amounts of only in the UVA waveband, which is slightly visible(voilet) and nowhere near as penetrating/powerful as UVB. But expose any skin to them(UVB 40W tubes) from less than 6feet away, and it burns in minutes. Like proper sunburn and worse if closer - can easily promote skinCancer(as does the sun). Can give you cateract in no time at all, even with sunglasses, from even 10feet away and more. IF you intend on using them, which I highly suggest that you don't, make sure that you never walk into the growroom when they are on. Have a swtch for them outside the room, or just inside the door. If just inside the door, turn them on and off immediatly you close or open the door. One 40Wer can cover an area 5foot down, 5foot by 5foot across. So with every 600 or 1000Watter, you have 1 40W UVB Fluro with it, AND '120W Clear Incandescent bulb as well for 1 hour either side of lights on and off - simulating the red ambient light of the outdoors ever dusk and dawn of every day anywhere in the world'. This Incandescent wavelength mentioned in the above url is as critical as any other. The lightband is required as it aids in the 'benefical' toxification and detoxification the plant needs to complete the activation process fully. Couple all that up and timed correctly indoors with either MH or HPS, and pollenate the mum/s, and you'll be well on your way to producing the most potent buds possible.

This one will do but be careful not to place them too close to the plant as they will burn it too. Be very careful when using them not to damage yourself also. Go to the 3rd item down on this page - LS18/CB - 240 Volt UV Lamp:


http://www.prospectors.com.au/defau...line.asp&id=176



You can email or ring companies like Raytech and or Heraus for full specs of all there powerful uVB emitting products. They make their lamps for the manufacturing, scientific and medical industries. Heraeus - http://www.noblelight.net/tr-uvindex.html - also have a range of hand-made MH that are very strong in emitting the UV bandwidths. Being specialised lamps, they are not cheap. Using the sun itself is cheaper and far safer. There are cheaper fluros on the market that will do the job - you just have to find them, but they are not as high in there output of the desired wavelengths(300-315nm) as are these specialised ones for professional work. The wattages required for the right type of UVB are far less than we are normally use to with fluros. 10W of proper UVB light is extremly powerful in its illumince output, penetration and damaging effects. Keeping in mind when looking for them to ask for the ones that have a very hi output in the 300-315 nano meter range - that is the most effective UVB range. The reptile tubes are very low output in this range, they have a higher output above the 320nm range and into the UVA range. They are not good for growing, that is why you can keep your hand warm with them and not cause it any damage/burn. Remember that the lamps we need here will damamge flesh and eyes if exposed to them, even for a short period of time. I do not recommend using them. They can be used, but it is hard to get them setup right and to maintain using them without hurting yourself. But keeping in mind that as with everything we need - if we can't have it all, some is better than none. To supplement your existing HID setup with any UVB emitting lamp is better than not having one at all. But it must have a reasonable amount of output in the 300-315nm wavelengths. They are the wavelengths that are most effective and they operate at the prefered Kelvin temperature range that the plant needs to see/feel, that aids in the full activation.

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  Quote 20'Thai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2004 at 16:52

Sorry about the pop-up menus that appear when you enter the above urls.  they are not macious.  Simply close them and read on.  The information at all 4 of the urls make it a complete work.  You need to read them all and cross reference them as you go along to get a clear and complete understanding on how the process works.

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  Quote amadeo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2006 at 17:37

Thanx for these links!

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Particularly I like THIS ONE



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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2006 at 12:39

Wow, the guy in the link above - "THIS ONE"  is out of his tree.

He claims that no-one in the western world has actually tried cannabis, that from the US, to Canada, to Europe, we're all getting high off the 'placebo effect' and not THC.

"Seedless hetrozygous marijuana, the 12:00 hour photoperiod, and the Sativa clone scam have produced nothing but one big placebo effect.  It's open to question whether any caucasoid born after 1970 has ever smoked any real marijuana if all they have smoked is seedless marijuana with lots of red hairs.  And this is what I think the Narcs expected to accomplish with their scheme!"

It's fun to have a theory to that 'knows better' than everyone else, but if a person get too far into their own self-referential hypotheses, they can end up with a deeply-held belief that is entirely contradicted by reality.

This is the problem with 'conspiracy theory' thinking - that once you're aware of the many pieces of history that genuinely have been supressed and rewritten, it may lead to the assumption that every part of the Official View of things is untrue (which is not an unreasonable assumption, IMHO). Next comes the dangerous part of the process, where the human mind - which loves some certainty - begins to make up its own explanations to fill in the ever widening gaps in its world view.

Thus, the accurate realisation that the world is run for the benefit of business interests and ancient monied families becomes the deeply-held belief that ruling classes of all nations are actually giant, shape-changing alien lizards (ala David Icke).

If you read the link above, you'll see that the author believes that every cannabis enthusiast in the western world has been deceived and manipulated by 'the Narcs' (and their 'scheme to weaken all marijuana potency'). He also believes that most of the cannabis professionals in the world are working with 'the Narcs' to achieve this evil end - Amsterdam breeders and growers, Canadian breeders and growers, industrial hemp activists - EVERYONE, except himself, apparently.

As far as I'm concerned, the author of this article is a perfect example of the problems faced by the cannabis community when it comes to distributing accurate  information.

There are many people out there with an axe to grind, and the small number of reliable sources of cannabis information allows a situation where this kind of paranoid rant can sit alongside serious pieces of information.

To readers who are trying to learn about cannabis, the scientific-sounding words scattered throughout the piece may give it an air of credibilty, maybe even the appearance of equivalency with actual information.

A little learning is a dangerous thing, as it allows less-than-reliable people to produce this kind of (frankly laughable) fantasy to pass itself off as a serious essay.

Even if the constant repetition of 'the Narcs, the Narcs!' doesn't make you suspicious of this writer's point of view, bear in mind that for him to be even close to correct would require the entire world of cannabis entusiasts  - all the growers and smokers and breeders and authors and activists - to be either completely misguided, or in league with 'the Narcs!'.

Oh, and also that almost no-one on this site has ever actually experienced the effect of cannabis - that every time you thought you were stoned or high, it was actually just the 'placebo effect'.

Right. I have a bridge for sale, if anyone's interested.

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  Quote Grasso Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2006 at 13:33
Hello,

of course that website is a bit extremistic. But free outdoor maryjane is much more hallucinogenic exhibitionistic flashing revolutionary mind games than dull commercial sinsemilla indoor peppermint skunk weed sold for 7 Euro / gram. Neat mutual consensus has never done any good.

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  Quote Grasso Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2006 at 14:03
Hello once more,

I followed all links on that webpage, and I must say that I am impressed. It is a jewel. Just see for yourself!

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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2006 at 14:28

Originally posted by Grasso

...free outdoor maryjane [is] much more hallucinogenic exhibitionistic flashing revolutionary mind games than [dull] commercial sinsemilla indoor peppermint skunk weed sold for 7 Euro / gram

I'd agree with most of that statement (as my own recent experience with some very hallucinogenic, seeded outdoor Thai attests). 

In my own opinion, I'd replace [is] with [can be] and [dull] with [often dull]. Then we're 100% in agreement.

It's worth noting that most free, outdoor cannabis is of the 'sativa' type, except where plants have been selected over many, many generations for hashish production. Even in India, which gives its name to to the Indica types, a large proportion, perhaps even a majority of plants grown in that massive country would conform to the long-flowering, equatorial type that we usually call 'sativa'. It's just that the mountain-grown Indicas are the most famous.

I use the inverted commas because 'sativa' starts to be an imprecise term when really considering cannabis all over the world - the word can emcompass all cannabis, just industrial cannabis, or the psychoactive, psychedelic equatorial plants that are prized by most growers.

Classing plants as Indica or Sativa makes it easier to talk about them at a certain level, but becomes an obstacle to understanding when looking at the enormous number of subtle variations between plants from different regions and gene pools.

Thai sativas, Cambodian sativas, other SE Asian sativas, Jamiacan sativas, Southern Indian Sativas, Central American sativas, South American Sativas could all warrant their own classifications and separate groupings.

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  Quote Grasso Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2006 at 19:47
Hello Ganja,

that was a nice detailed reply. In my experience trips on outdoor weed are dreamy, while trips on indoor weed are frank. This year and with the help of Sensi Seeds I will try to fusion both sides. The hashish I consumed was made from outdoor weed and always changed my fate.

UV light must be an important factor. In wild nature UV light is very strong. Peru and Nepal are the cream, yet still up in Finland and with an intact ozone layer there is a lot of fat. Not so with artificial lights, due to regulations justified by scientific studies that UV light caused cancer, but mostly pushed by the fact that UV light bleaches colors in plastics and printings. The result is a tame trip.

Everything in nature has a reason, an aim, a means. The dilemma of man is that he must weight, form an opinion, destroy the balance.

I am going to cross bird-feed seed hemp with Shiva Shanti II, some bag seed and my established breeding line of bag seed all together in a big garden orgy. I nearly start to weep when I think of it. I better put an end to this message now.

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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2006 at 20:23

The orgy sounds interesting (don't they always?), I've occasionally fantasised about trying a continous, semi-controlled breeding program somewhere near the equator, with just a little help from artificial lighting and a large field of wildly varying genetics.

The whole potency thing deserves a long, speculative answer that I can't quite manage right now, but shall try to address in the future.

The question of enormous resin glands (as collected and obsessed over by many growers) vs crystal-free outdoor weed that will still take you to the moon and back is one that I find very interesting. Clearly, the foliage of the plant contains very active cannabinoids, as cooking with resin-free fan leaves or sampling woody outdoor Thai weed will demonstrate to anyone.

Also, collecting and purifying resin is a very interesting hobby, but there's a lot more to hash that the pure meltyness of water-hash.

It's the kind I like the most, as a rule, but there are superb qualities and effects to hash that may be non-bubbling and full of plant matter, but has been made by a proper expert in one of the traditional hash-producing countries.

As a resin-lover, it's very nice to smoke your own ice-o-lator, but, after a while it doesn't devastate you as THC of that purity 'should'. I started to suspect my own stuff wasn't very good anymore, until some friends who smoke plenty but never really touch water-hash tried some, and were suitably ripped.

I think there's a lot in the idea of 'unfamiliar' cannabinoids. We probably all know the effect of smoking the same type of weed for several weeks and getting used to it, then trying a small amount of something different - which may not be objectively stronger but gets you much higher.

I know that there are a great number of cannabinoids - many more than are generally discussed, and more than have been identified or studied - and I'd guess that, around the world, there are an enormous number of subtle variations to these plant-produced, environmentally sensitive chemicals. The same goes for the varying proportions and interactions of the dozens of cannabinoids a plant may contain.

I think the overall effect is that there can be an infinite number of combinations to the cannabinoids that affect a smoker, and when the body is introduced to a new combination, the effect can be much, much stronger than normal.

This would go a long way to explaning how high it's possible to get when doing a smoking tour of the world. For that matter, so does the extra effect of getting high in unfamilir locations.

Geez, look at that, I went and wrote the long post I said I couldn't manage...

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  Quote stashman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2006 at 15:40
Thanks for the amazing links 20'Thai, a subject I've been researching for a while. Already I'm conducting my own experiment with lighting and it is something I'm doing very carefully, UVB switch outside the grow box, plus I leave it ten minutes before tending to plants ( paranoia of those UVB rays ).
As for the link for This One, thats one hell of a conspiracy theory, one of my favourites so far this year.
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