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    Posted: 01 October 2007 at 00:35
Hi!

Im a little bit confused about that white labe stuff....

Now there are superskunk seeds  available . are they similar to the sensiseeds superskunk or  whats going on?...


And does anybody know  about the whitelabel powerplant. i thought the original is from dutch passion and mostly sativa . whitelabe say its  mostly indica...so ??
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  Quote Solidopc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2007 at 02:16

White Label and Sensi share some gentics. I dont know if White Labels Super Skunk will come from the same mother as Sensis, but its probably either a clone of the mother, or seeds from her, so it should be near as dam it.

Dont know about the Power Plant. I've often wondered how White Label go about recreating strains such as AK, White Rhino, Sensi Star, Kali Haze. Do they buy the seeds, grow them out and sell f2s? Or do they just try and recreate them using their own genetics?
 
I dont know which, but i'd like to think they would leave the selling of f2's to Nirvana and try and recreate and perhaps improve the "brand" strains, using Sensi/White Label killer genetics.
 
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  Quote yoman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2007 at 10:37
Originally posted by Solidopc

I've often wondered how White Label go about recreating strains such as AK, White Rhino, Sensi Star, Kali Haze. Do they buy the seeds, grow them out and sell f2s? Or do they just try and recreate them using their own genetics?


yes, that would be very interesting to know...

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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2007 at 11:46
1. WL strains that share the same (or similar) names to Sensi strains have a very similar genetic background to the Sensi originals. The same parent stock is available, but the breeders may make slightly different choices for specific parent plants.

2.The name-game of cannabis strains should be taken with a pinch of salt. Rebranding is much more common that re-breeding, especially with new companies/resellers.

Frankly, the number of strain names exceeds the number of distinct strains by about  three to one. It's much easier for a small company to resell cheap seeds under exotic new names, or produce f2s (also with exotic new names) than to breed new hybrids.

Proper breeding requires significant space and time, and this is especially difficult right now, as all such breeding spaces are illegal, even in Holland.

So, even if a new company had the resources, knowledge and genetic material to set up a breeding facility, they would have to do it in secret, and be prepared to have everything confiscated if found out.

All in all, it's much easier to change the names of existing strains.

The ability to breed new strain has declined sharply in the last decade, but somehow, the number of 'new' strains has not decreased, but skyrocketed.

(more on this later, I have to run...)
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  Quote Ganja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2007 at 14:21
Afghan Kush and Kali Haze are only available from WL, as far as I know.

Kali Haze may be a reference to Kali Mist (the 'Mist' part of which is a reference to the Haze family, IIRC). It's also possible that the name Kali was chosen because she is often seen as a female counterpart of Shiva, who is well known as a cannabis-loving god. There are many strains that refer to Shiva (usually with genes that come from north India or Afghanistan), but relatively few that refer to Kali.
Making a new Haze variation is well within the means of WL or Sensi, though the refining process still may take a while.

The AK-47/Afghan Kush connection is interesting, if somewhat ambiguous. I mentioned what I know in another post, which should be easy to search. Serious Seeds' version of AK-47 is listed as having Sativa in the mix (possibly dominant), but  the AK-47 I've seen is always very, very Indica, possibly with some Skunk adding some run and 'bubble' to the calyxes.
I think Serious was the first to trademark the name as a strain of cannabis, but I think AK-47 was a known strain before that.
Since Serious trademarked it, their AK-47 is widely regarded as the official one, but the characteristics of that strain may not fit with what I understand about the AK-47 up until that point - named for Afghan Kush (as opposed to Hindu Kush, the mountain range that's mostly in Afghanistan, which leads to confusion in some cases) and flowering in under 50 days. Together, the 'AK' and '47' also formed another reference to the main country of origin and to the power of the strain.

I think Serious lists AK-47 as flowering in 8-9 weeks, which suggests that their version does have more Sativa in it. OTOH, the Sativa genes could come from an older Skunk.

PP has a similar story. I think the name/plant existed before the trademarked strain-name. It gained fame as the ideal commercial coffeeshop crop, and was mostly seen in clone form by growers. I think of PP as super-dense, highly resinous white weed, the main fare of the coffeeshops (and a little generic for my taste).

I haven't looked up DP's listing for PP, but I think theirs is meant to have a fair chunk of Sativa in it. The WL feminised Power Plant I've seen growing also has some clear Sativa influence along with the Indica weight.

This suggests that both were bred from PP clones. The choice of father plant would be different between the two companies anyway, and since WL PP is feminised, there was no male used in the production of the seeds.
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  Quote yoman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2007 at 15:44
Aha!

Thanks for information ganja. Its always interesting to hear about this business of the breeders. for me its a pity that all this reseller companies more or less fool their customers with their shit stories about the new strains they `ve made. a little more transparency would be good to the breeder business and strengthen confidence of growers...
I got a few of this pp (also a shiva) clones from amsterdam years ago and keept one. im still growing it sometimes. But its getting older and more fragile now. so i thought about a new one out of seeds. but what you are telling means to me that a new one would be definitely different to my pp. and people like it here even if its a little generic;)...

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  Quote Solidopc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2007 at 19:50
Really interesting stuff for sure! Thanks for taking the time to share that Ganja. It seems like the only big difference between most breeders strains then, is how they go about choosing parent plants. Apart from that, its just different names for the same strains.
 
So, once you have found a breeder, whos selection judgement you like, you should stick with it. Thank god for Sensi and White Label. They give us the Sensi Classics, and also, White Label gives us the "brand" strains if we want them.
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  Quote Jonney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2007 at 21:45
yeah it's actually something that always gets asked in this house when having a (stoned) chat about cannabis.

would like to know more!
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