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    Posted: 01 September 2008 at 18:37
Hello sensi

Today i ordered 10 big bud feminised and 5 white ice feminised. I have a square meter under a 400 watt HPS which i'll be using for both veg and flower (i'll use a few 25 watt cool white cfl's for the first 4-5 days of their life). What i hope to achieve is a natural SOG that's why i chose big bud (white ice for variety).

However i need some help (from sensi maybe?). How long should i veg to achieve the single cola style without losing too much yield? It is my understanding that 12/12 from seed is not recommended and that 1-2 weeks veg first would do the trick as well but with more yield, am i right? If so, then what pots should i use? Even if i veg for 2 weeks i can't see how i can  start in starter pots and then transplant, there's simply not enough time (no transplants in flo). Should i start in final pots? Also what height will they have at the end if 12/12 from seed and if 1-2 weeks veg? Will there be any unwanted side shoots if i veg for 2 weeks? And to make a long story short, what kind of plan would sensi recommend for a natural SOG with their fem big bud and white ice?

I gotta say that my last grow (which was my first ever) was with sensi WW and PPP and it went great. I had 8 plants and they produced 20-30g each, but i vegged them for 5 weeks so i think that the yield wasn't that great after all and i know why, i'm not doing the same mistakes again. So now i believe that more plants but smaller in the same pots as before will give me twice as much (assuming i eliminate my mistakes and achieve perfect conditions), am i too confident?

Also, will BB and WI play well together in a SOG setup?

Damn, i got so many questions. I want everything to be perfect and i feel confident that i can make it perfect, i just need some insight from sensi on the SOG matter. Please guys help, i promise i'll post a grow log in the forum :) :)
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  Quote bartmanuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 September 2008 at 19:29

hey lazycrazy,

its usually advised to use clones for a SOG setup, as seed plants are not very likely to stay the same height, throughout the grow.

you will probably get better results from seed plants by growing with the SCrOG setup.
 
on your 1st grow, i assume you mean white label WW? you say 20-30g each, what was your total dry bud weight, because that sound a pretty good yield man.
also i dont get why you think vegging for 5 weeks was wrong, normally the longer you veg for, the bigger the plants will be, and therefore the bigger the yield should be.
 
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  Quote lazycrazy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 September 2008 at 19:56
Well i don't have the luxury of clones (no 2nd grow space for mommy) and sensi descibes BB as a good natural SOG strain. SCROG is out of the question because speed is a very important factor for me, so i cant veg for 7-8 weeks. As for the WL WW, i feel they could give me 50+g each if i hadnt stressed them early on in their life and if i had a proper pot for them. I used 20cm (w) x 20cm (w) x 17cm (depth) final pots, and in conjuction with the jiffy pellets i germinated them in, the tap root had very little depth to grow. I've been told that for marijuana 2x or even 3x depth is recommended whereas mine wasnt even 1x .

Also, vegging for 5 weeks resulted in 60cm to 1m tall plants which is too tall for a 400 watt hps in 1sq m , light wasnt getting down there, the plants were big side-wise too leaving me with a lot of unused floor and many weird looking small buds.

However i still got 220g of dty buds in the end :)


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  Quote bartmanuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 September 2008 at 20:13

220g in 1 square metre with a 400w hps is a very good yeild man, especially for your 1st grow.

and what makes you think you have to veg for 7-8 weeks for scrog? theres no reason why you cant veg for a couple of weeks with scrog.

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  Quote lazycrazy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 September 2008 at 20:18
well i don't know, i'm a noob. Watching different SCROGs on the net made me believe the plant need a long veg to be able to restore itself from all the toppings and stuff and to have many tops over the screen at the end. I really can't think of how one could SCROG with so little veg time,can u please give me some wisdom? Cool i'm really interested in what you said about scrog, how can i go on about it and how many plants are we talking about?
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  Quote bartmanuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 September 2008 at 20:41
scrog with only a couple of weeks veg will mean it wont need topping, just training and bending into the screen, pulling the shoots through the screen. the idea of scrog is to have any shoot tips where the buds will form at the same height coming through the screen together.
 
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  Quote lazycrazy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 September 2008 at 20:59
interesting. However only 2 weeks? How many shoots can a plant have after such a short time? Mine had only the main growth at that time, maybe a couple of very small side shoots. Very interesting tho, and i believe i've already done something like that when i had a bagseed along with the WW and PPP which i trained, it looked like it could give 60-70g but it didnt make it past week 6 flo, it was taking precious space from the others which i knew were killer weed and i cut it down.

Phewww, choice, choices, choices . I got a week before the beans arrive and i still haven't made my mind which road to follow.

I'll try and make it simple to my mind and to any1 willing to give an opinion. How can i go over 220g in my grow space and in less time than 14 weeks (thats how long WW took, 5 veg + 9 flo) with my choice of strains?
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  Quote lazycrazy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2008 at 16:23
bump....

anyways, sensi has sent my seeds and countdown has begun, however they were kind enough to make a last minute swap i asked, instead of white ice fem i ordered white label northern lights fem along with the sensi big bud fems. I've been reading a lot of great reviews for sensi's northern lights and i've been wondering, is WL NL fem the same genetics with sensi's NL? 
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