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    Posted: 09 March 2016 at 11:37
thanks Charly and thank you for your reply. i'm still pretty sure the logistics of using hemp to to feed, shelter and clothe most of the worlds population is an impossible ask. if the planet had a lot less people on it, maybe it could work but where would you grow it as by the time people come round to the idea there will be billions more of us and all of the available land and usable water will be spoken for. so its a nice statement in principal but the practical realities of it are such that it wont happen ever.
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  Quote Charly Sensi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2016 at 13:24
Hello CC

Sorry for the late reply, I normally don't come in the HempFlax part of the Forum.

Now, I've read the links you've posted, they're really interesting, but again, you should read properly what the original post was saying :

provide proof to the contrary of the following proposition:

If the greenhouse effect were to be reversed by a ban on all fossil fuels and their derivatives, or if their use were to come to an end, and no more trees were allowed to be felled in order to prevent further deforestation, then there would be one natural resource able to supply the greater part of the world’s demand for products such as paper, food, textiles and construction material. This annually renewable resource can also provide energy to the industry, transport and the home. Meanwhile, the soil and the atmosphere on Earth can be restored and pollution reduced. This sustainable resource does it all at one time and is an old acquaintance: cannabis – hemp.’


Your arguments are pretty good, but the point was not to find solutions to save the planet, no matter how logical or senseless they are, but it was to prove that this specific sentence wrong, and sorry, but you haven't.

Hemp is not the only thing that can save our planet, let's be realistic, but as you said, if we would stop all the HID lamps to grow outdoor, that could be a pretty good start on saving energy, but hard to do when it can get you to jail.

Anyway, was a nice try .

Talk to you soon.

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  Quote CowardlyCustard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 January 2016 at 19:55
usually when someone doesnt reply to a retort to their claim on the internet its because they find their defense untenable. i would like a reply rebuking what i have said in terms of saving the planet with hemp. 
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  Quote CowardlyCustard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2016 at 19:36
just a little more food for thought about practical realities and growing populations versus finite natural resources.

http://www.devex.com/news/time-to-end-the-false-debate-of-organic-vs-mineral-fertilizer-85982
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  Quote CowardlyCustard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2016 at 23:45
oh and just on a further note when you say "soil restored", could you describe to me the action by which the hemp or flax will "restore" the micro flora and fauna in the soil that has been destroyed by over use of chemical fertilizer and pesticides and herbicides over the last century as that would seem like a pretty big task to me and i dont think hemp can do it and im pretty sure they wont just spontaneously reappear either. again i await your counter.
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  Quote CowardlyCustard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2016 at 15:01
i would like a riposte or rebuttal at some point please.
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  Quote CowardlyCustard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2016 at 14:05
and finally co2 is good, water vapor bad, mechanical and electronically derived heat waste also bad. co2 levels directly relate to plant growth and end dry organic material weight so higher levels makes happier plants. plants transpire water vapor, water vapor collects thermal radiation from any source not just the sun like co2 does. this is the tricky bit, take the water vapor out of the air. the temps would go down naturally but how you do it without electricity and the heat generated by the process and all of this on a global scale is a mind boggling question. pretty sure there must be some kind of organic way of doing but who knows? not sure what the consequences of that type of Geo-engineering may be but with the way things are its going to take some serious abstract thinking to solve the problems that face us as a sentient race of beings who's future descendants are facing extinction in the not so distant future. (in the geological sense)
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  Quote CowardlyCustard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2016 at 11:49
you should be breeding fast growing cacti that can live on dew point moisture alone so you can colonize or stabilize desert areas rapidly as the climate shifts as it will.  
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  Quote CowardlyCustard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2016 at 11:29
so i'm pretty sure that the embedded water costs and consequences of this will make it non-viable in a couple of hundred years too. so hunker down kids its looking like a rough ride for your descendants no matter what we do.
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  Quote CowardlyCustard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2016 at 22:54
the only way to save the planet is to turn off the internet and leave it off and stop using HID lights forever. even if you find some new and improved way of generating electricity and stop generating co2 and other green house gasses you still have the problem of the heat waste generated by all electrical devices and the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. so its noble what you said but we can talk privately about the payment.

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/04/economist-meets-physicist/

just as a side note but if you do decide to pay up i would like to split the reward 50/50 with the author of the paper.

and just in case anyone in the future wanted to drink any fresh water they had better think about this, Biomass (crops grown for the purpose of fuel):  40,000 to 100,000 gallons per megawatt-hour.. and before you say solar desalination plant you still have the problem of heat waste and water vapor in the atmosphere.

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/fuel.html
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