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Topic: Poor Conditions can slow down flowering.
Posted By: Ganja
Subject: Poor Conditions can slow down flowering.
Date Posted: 21 February 2008 at 13:57
Anyone who's done some growing knows that poor environmental conditions - particularly during flowering - will have a negative impact on a plant's size yield and potency.

What's not always known is that poor conditions can actually slow a plant's flowering and extend the blooming period significantly.



The plants in these photos are virtually identical - clones cut from the same mother at the same time, which rooted at the about same speed, had the same vegetation time and went into flowering in the same time in the same spot.





While overall conditions have been good, the smaller of the two plants has had a tougher time its whole life, and as its clone sister in the same pot has improved, this has made conditions worse for the smaller one.

The two cuttings rooted in a single piece of rockwool (due to space considerations) and were left there until their roots had intertwined so much that separating them would probably have killed at least one of them. So, just for the heck of it, the two were put into the same pot and set to flower (the larger one was a few cm bigger than the smaller one at this stage).

The larger one might have rooted a day or two sooner, and whatever the reason, its root system was the dominant one in the single piece of rockwool.

This gave the larger one an advantage when the rockwool was put in a pot full of clayballs, and allowed it to take over most of the pot with its root system.

This allowed the bigger plant to grow faster, which meant that its foliage could spread faster and absorb most of the light that was hitting the pot, which gave it extra energy to extend its root system, and so on.





Thus, the smaller plant has had a life of less light and less root growth (while still being pretty healthy in and of itself).

The notable thing here is that the smaller one is not only going to yield less, but that it's clearly a couple of weeks behind its clone-sister in maturity.

Lower light leads to less bud, but the larger plant is at about 5-6 weeks flowering, while the smaller is at about 3-4.

Given that all other factors were identical, this is a nice demonstration that poor conditions in flowering really can increase flowering time by weeks.






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Posted By: Yaelandar
Date Posted: 21 February 2008 at 14:07
Hi Ganja,

Thank's for these details about environment conditions and Flowering stage.


Peace Yael



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Posted By: Solidopc
Date Posted: 21 February 2008 at 15:45
Very interesting. I wonder if there will be any difference in the taste/aroma of the two?
 
My uk cheese cuttings, are in different size and shape pots. Its quite interesting to see the differences between them.
 
What i am noticing, but dont know if its just coincidence, is the plants in the round pots, seem to be growing faster, and larger, than the cuts in square pots.
 
Anyone else ever noticed something like this? I have two in round pots, one a 10 litre, the other a 15litre. The 15 litre cut, looks bigger and more hea;thy than its sister in the 10 litre round pot, which is to be expected i suppose.
 
But theone in the square pot, looks smaller and less healthy than both of them, and the square pot, is a 12 litre pot, so bigger than the 10 litre, but not looking as vigourous.
 
It's a bit of a pain, because i prefer to use the square pots for space. But the plants in round pots, looks aloit nicer. Plus, the one in the 15 litre, is so much bigger, that i would like to grow all my plants in there pots. But they are quite large, and i can only fit 2 in my veg room, as compared to 6 of the 12 litre square pots and 10 litre round pots.
 
 


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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 21 February 2008 at 16:25
The small one is doing fine in terms of resin and aroma, it's just a couple of weeks behind where it should be.

The larger one will be harvested first, and we'll leave the smaller one to continue, taking note of how long it needs to reach the same state (if not the same yield) as its big sister.


I don't know that square vs round pots makes a big difference in root growth. I think square is the more common standard in large scale indoor growing (legal included) where pots are used, but I couldn't swear to it.

Square pots are almost always used in the Museum.

Those two plants may be doing better because of other conditions, and the round pots could be a coincidence.


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Posted By: sarah louise
Date Posted: 08 March 2008 at 22:44
Well I guess that settles it, my plants need to get back into the sunshine. These things take long enough to flower as it is. Thanks Ganja Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: stashman
Date Posted: 02 May 2008 at 21:03
Good one Ganga, as I have a very simple setup at the moment, it was good to read that post. Not growing optimally at the moment, but still doing fine, things are taking a little bit more time to get dialled in. Had a desaster last year and had to start from scratch....Life !!

Thanks....Stash

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Posted By: Indica Lover
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 03:40
Yeah Ganga that is a classic example of bad conditions slowing flower time. I have just started a new room and found things where inadequete i.e the ventillation was not good enough and the first 12 plants have been slowed down by 2 weeks, I can tell this cos I fixed the problem and put another 8 into flower and alas they are at the same stage now as the first 12. the first 12 are 28 days gone and the 8 are 15 days gone. The temp was a staggering 36 degree C. but now hovers around 24-27 oC. this is the first time I have done things wrong so my querie is: if I leave them all to crop at same time as they are all now at similair stage, will this effect yield ? or would you advise that I chop them when they have reached 45days as the are afghani's?


Posted By: holistic
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 07:10
unless your selling it grow it out till she`s done not buy the calander


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Posted By: Indica Lover
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 15:47

thanks for the advice. have also not done anything with PH, it is at 7, would water of PH 6.5 help now or would I be best to keep on going with a ph of 7. this is the first time I never used PH-. As we never had the money for it. this grow has just been flung togeather so we could get started. I wish I had just waited till all was in place. As my ladies are to big for the room too and I have been cracking the heads on them for the past 2 weeks.



Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 17:09
Better to give all of them, especially the slower ones, time to finish properly, rather than definitely cutting them at 45 days.

Adjusting pH is useful for making sure that nutrients are taken up properly, but it doesn't sound like your plants are suffering from a nutrient problem. Water of pH 7 is a bit alkaline, but shouldn't harm them.
Adjusting pH is not necessarily going to improve the grow, so if it's too costly don't worry, but if you can, you might as well.


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Posted By: Indica Lover
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 17:50
I was thinking of Flushing them but wont now, they are in 12l buckets. average130cm-140cm tall. the buds are quite small with loads of hairs, has very thick Stems, but in my experiance they should be bigger than what they are for the size of the plants and stage they are at. I would of expected them to start to fatten up. I just hope it was the high heat that  held them back, temp is still 24- 27 oC, I will start to adjust the Ph from now on.  I use Bat guano for nutrients that I added at the start of flowering to the soil mix. to round it up the plants are monsters compared to what I am used to and the buds are still quiet small on the first 12 and the other 8 that are 2 week behind are at the same stage as the first ones. I hope it is just my past problems with heat and that I still get a good Crop. will leave the plants till they have finnished as they are for personal smoke only.

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Posted By: Indica Lover
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 03:18
GANJA, I would like to thank Sensi Seeds, I bought a pack of Afghani 1 and a pack of Maple leaf. I got 100% gremintation all 32 cracked. 12 afghani females and 8 maple leaf. The rest males. Best packs I have ever bought!!!

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Posted By: bennybjc
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 06:15
this thread make no sense to me both those plants are in the same pot and are grown under the same light therefore having the same conditions all it is showing is that the bigger plant had a better start to life and it is closer to the light thus having the more mature bigger buds on it? I know having poor conditions slows down flowering but if there were poor conditions here dont you think both plants would be showing the same signs of slow maturation?? so realy you are just stating the obvious? all parts of the plant that dont receive as much light as the other parts mature slower...... 

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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 29 May 2008 at 17:01
Thanks for your contribution.

(if you read the thread better, it might make more sense to you)

As far as stating the obvious goes (or asking obvious questions, for that matter), you might want to think before you post in future.


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Posted By: bennybjc
Date Posted: 29 May 2008 at 17:24
dont mean to sound rude but why dont u change the title of your thread cause all this is showing that 2 clones from a mother plant 1 which clearly got a better start 2 life and 1 that looks like it has struggled from day 1? topic should be called maybe "The healthier the clones = the better the results" cause im sure if u used 2 healthy clones they would be identical.... or this should be done with 2 seperate rooms 1 with perfect conditions and 1 with poor conditions using the same healthy clones of a mother plant i think that would show better results i am not saying your wrong it's just my opinion...

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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 29 May 2008 at 17:43
Again, you either haven't read the original post properly or you haven't understood it.

Originally posted by bennybjc

this thread make no sense to me both those plants are in the same pot and are grown under the same light therefore having the same conditions

Given the information and the picture, your statement suggests that you're unclear on how lights and roots work.


Thanks for your input regarding the thread title.


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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 29 May 2008 at 18:32
Indica Lover - sorry to get side-tracked - good results! Also, at 16 per pack, these were reasonably old seeds, so it's cool to hear that you got 100% germination.

If you're growing with organic nutrient, flushing shouldn't be so much of an issue.


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Posted By: bennybjc
Date Posted: 29 May 2008 at 18:42
Originally posted by Ganja

Again, you either haven't read the original post properly or you haven't understood it.

Originally posted by bennybjc

this thread make no sense to me both those plants are in the same pot and are grown under the same light therefore having the same conditions

Given the information and the picture, your statement suggests that you're unclear on how lights and roots work.


Thanks for your input regarding the thread title.
ok maybe i dont understand but explain this to me what are the poor conditions that are slowing down the flowering on this plant exactly?


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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 30 May 2008 at 09:27
If you can't understand from the clear info in the original post, then there's no point explaining it again.

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Posted By: sarah louise
Date Posted: 30 May 2008 at 13:44
Ganja, I blame public education... experimental method is not part of the general science curriculum and you aren't allowed to beat them when they are being twats.

Zinc might help.




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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 30 May 2008 at 14:22
Sometimes I think that the secret to breeding a docile, trusting, easily directed population in (for want of a better term) liberal democracies is to half-educate them.

Heads are filled with facts, but critical thinking is not taught from an early age, sometimes not at all.
Modern industrialised nations need a population with the ability to perform complex tasks and absorb/filter lots of information, but people are known to get irksome when they're able to place their information in context and start inferring things. That leads to questions and movements for change.

Anyway, a little off-topic, but an exchange is always nice.

Did you spend time as a teacher, SL?

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Posted By: Indica Lover
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 00:23

Ganja- They are the Best 2 seed packs I have ever bought. I am very proud, 100% Germination from 32 seeds and the 20 females are outstanding. If I can get pics when they are finnshed I will post them. I have to say the Afghani's are the best so far as I only got 4 males, the maple leaf I got 8 males. Also there are no runts, they are all OUTSTANDING. I have always had admiration for sensi seeds but these 2 packs have been Phenominal.

You said they were old seed packs. I know seeds degrade but I dont think that is a problem I will have, But does this mean it would be hard to get Afghani and maple leaf again? I do clones but I plan to get Northern Lights, Hash Plant, White Rhino, Ice and G-13 all Sensi. will it be hard to get them or could you point us in the direction of a well stocked retailer PLEASE?.


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Posted By: Indica Lover
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 01:41
This was a good thread to Post. yes you could do a scientific experiment with two rooms but this is not needed. This can be seen from like as ganja shows, where one plant does not recieve adequete light and root space for developement. I would also guess that they were done in a room with perfect conditions but as one plant grows bigger it crowds out the other and thus causes the smaller plant to take longer to develope fully. Or you could do it the way I accidentally done it and that is by having plants in the wrong temps ect for 2-3 weeks then changing the temps ect and putting more plants in. The results I have are 12 plants at 39 days looking the same as plants at 25days.

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Posted By: sarah louise
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 12:12
Originally posted by Ganja


Did you spend time as a teacher, SL?


Not as a high school teacher thankfully, but I've worked in primary and secondary schools in support positions including indigenous welfare, school nurse,  SEESL worker (special ed and english as a second language) and mainstream literacy/numeracy.

When people ask me why I don't do a Dip Ed... I ask them when was the last time they went into a high school and had a look around? Yeah, scary... who would want to work there? End of story.

Have you read any of what Ivan Illich had to say about what education had become in the modern world? If not get a hold of Deschooling Society. I think you will enjoy it.


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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 01 June 2008 at 11:42
Not specifically. Something along the lines of training kids for a lifetime of factory work?

It's been noted by many a Brit that the whole free education for the masses was largely an idea of the mega-rich robber barons in the C.19th. Possibly for philanthropic reasons, possibly in order to breed a better class of worker.

Seen in this light the three most important lessons of a 'normal' childhood education become punctuality, a love of repetitive tasks and learning to obey artificial authority figures.


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Posted By: bennybjc
Date Posted: 01 June 2008 at 11:57

i understand sorry if i sounded rude on my other post's.....



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Posted By: johnmusic88
Date Posted: 05 June 2008 at 00:07
hey ganja

thanks for the info and the pics!


Posted By: sarah louise
Date Posted: 05 June 2008 at 06:23
Yup, got it on the head ganja. School is more about reproducing a doclie working class.

if we teach children to respond automatically obey uniformed adults you end up with adults that do the same thing.

I submit the following youtube link as an example of the blind obedience to 'authority' of the Australian public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSUJLF9g8s&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSUJLF9g8s&feature=related



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Posted By: shane
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 22:58
I think my first indoor grow is suffering from high temps and lack of air flow and that's why she's taking so long to flower
 
please don't knock  British education guys,
thanks to it I can name several countries capitals and can even multiply any number up to 12 ;-)
 
gotta get back to the production line now as my 300 second toilet break is almost up!


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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 12 June 2008 at 10:15
Lots of Dutch indoor growers shut down ops for the hottest month(s) of summer (in Holland, it's not always plural), just because of all the extra trouble, maintenance and costs to keep a healthy room.

Can't really knock the Brit principle of education for all (most). It has to have done a lot more good than harm over the years. But it's getting worse everywhere.

"If I have five Pepsis and I drink two Pepsis, how much more refreshed am I? ...Okay the redhead in the Chicago school system?"
"Uuuuh... Pepsi?"
"Partial credit!"


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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 12:22
Originally posted by sarah louise

Have you read any of what Ivan Illich had to say about what education had become in the modern world? If not get a hold of Deschooling Society. I think you will enjoy it.


Actually, I only just discovered who Ivan Illich is (having read one of his comments on stigmata)..

It shames me to say that I though you were referring to Vladimir Illich Ulyanov, which is why I thought of public education being a way to train the factory workers of the future.

A little education is a dangerous thing...



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Posted By: sarah louise
Date Posted: 04 July 2008 at 15:07
the soc major at the uni has a double in sociology of education and sociology of work. So when ever I work with an arts student i get a dose of ivan illich.

education is a funny thing,  i've been exposed to c wright mills as a classical sociologist repeatedly over 20 years, but it was only 4 weeks ago  that i realised he was a marxist. i'd always written him off as a functionalist and never really bothered with reading more than was required. silly me, he is really quite interesting.


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Posted By: cashcrop
Date Posted: 05 July 2008 at 16:34
the BRITISH EDUCATION is the best in the world and its a shame that all of you SEEKERS take the piss outa our schools and all of the wellfair that the government have to offer.  its you lot wot take the piss not us .

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Posted By: sarah louise
Date Posted: 05 July 2008 at 17:01
STOP BEING A TWAT CASHCROP

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AUSTRALIA


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Posted By: bigbazzer
Date Posted: 05 July 2008 at 17:07
 Alright chaps, i went to a english school , and iam thick as to short planks , but when it comes to growing things my fingers turn green. so it does not matter wot school u went to  everybody  in ere is good at something . see u latter bigbazzer .

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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 11:47
What are SEEKERS?

Sickos?
Seppos?
Psychos?


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Posted By: JackFlacket
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 16:21

seekers, yeah, hmm...

perhaps an old navy term as in: put yer backs into it ye scurvy dogs (sea curs)

could also be a nod to William Seek 1797-1844 first englishman to standardise urine testing
more likely a dismissive reference to one who searches unsucessfully - gold digger as opposed to gold finder
 
what means this "piss" being taken from the schools & welfare?  The juice?  the CHI?  fruits of the labor?  life force?
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Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 16:34
I like "SEA-CURS!" very much. Thank you.

Avast!


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Posted By: shane
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 21:09
Originally posted by Ganja

What are SEEKERS?

Sickos?
Seppos?
Psychos?
:-) and I thought I was up on my lingo lol
 
wtf is a seppo? :-)


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Posted By: Nemo
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 22:13
Originally posted by cashcrop

the BRITISH EDUCATION is the best in the world and its a shame that all of you SEEKERS take the piss outa our schools and all of the wellfair that the government have to offer.  its you lot wot take the piss not us .
 
Okay, okay, best in the world, right.
 
As a product of it myself I feel compelled to point out that it doesn't appear to have managed to teach you how to spell "welfare", "what" or the difference between "its" and "it's". Don't get me wrong I don't normally care about anal spelling and grammar, but what you've done there is a bit like saying that video games don't cause violence while bludgeoning someone to death with a PS3 controller.
 
I assume "seekers" is as in "jobseekers" (since unemployment benefit was retitled as jobseekers allowance) i.e the unemployed, or "dole scroungers" as certain people would probably put it. Although I do like sea curs. Arr.
 
EDIT, Shane, I had to look it up myself but here you go:
 
Seppo - Derogertory word used by the English and Australians for all American nationals. Derived from Rhyming slang (Septic Tank = Yank)


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Posted By: shane
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 22:42
ah of course, septic tanks
 
I was thinking it must have more worldly connotations than my own back yard!
 
have a toke Cashcrop, it was sarky fun, nothing more mate ;-)
 
as for them books, they sound like real dust catchers lol :-)
 
anyway popping back on the thread(loosely) for a mo'
 
being poor is seriously affecting my personal growth
 
 
 


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Posted By: Nemo
Date Posted: 07 July 2008 at 23:18
Originally posted by shane

 
being poor is seriously affecting my personal growth 
 
I'll give you a "hell yeah" for that. In the literal growth sense too, just got paid and tonight is the first time in a week I'm gonna be eating something that isn't beans on toast. I need more nutes to bloom properly damnit. Angry


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Posted By: sarah louise
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 07:55
When it comes to hassle free spelling online~ I choose Mozilla Firefox.

Mmm hmm there's nothing like a customisable in-line dictionary. Without it, you'd all quickly realise just how wasted I am when I post Wink

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Posted By: c6p0
Date Posted: 08 January 2009 at 19:15
%3crea%3cy

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Posted By: anassers2
Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 21:54
Hello Ganja and everybody, needing some advice...
I have been having a very quite stranger situation. I have 10 somas's somango plants which 9 has showed the sex but the blooming is very very slow, for exemple,today i have completed 40 days of flowring and there's no sign of bud forming just some white hairs and my last somango plant haven't showed the sex yet. There´s no leak of light and i´ve checked it already and during the drk period is really dark and the lights can´t penetrate. I'm keeping this plants in completed dark room for 3 days and the others 9 i've just turned the lights to 10/14 and i have increased the temps to below 70 F. I've gave a large dose of P-K and i've stopped N.
I'm quite worry with my somango cause there are very beatiful. All of them are over 1 m. There's some fan leaves bigger than my head.
Have you saw any situation like mine?
Cheers


Posted By: sarah louise
Date Posted: 29 June 2009 at 11:49
Hey Anassers, you'd be well served by starting a new post for your question... more likely to be seen.

Originally posted by anassers2

and i have increased the temps to below 70 F.


How low were the temperatures before you increased them? Cold will most definitely slow down flowering.


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Posted By: breizh ganja
Date Posted: 29 June 2009 at 13:13
hi smokers day after day i lurn a lot at this forum and photos are useful and help a lot of comprehension(sorry again for my english!) this is exactly my problem ganja i thanks for this evidence?! next growing i promise i will send photos and explain such problem in good english. so thanks again


Posted By: bartmanuk
Date Posted: 30 June 2009 at 23:15
hey bg,
you need to stop apologising for you broken english dude, your english is good enough to get on here my friend,
and believe me, its by far better than my french, lol %3co%20high
 
 
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Posted By: breizh ganja
Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 10:05
sorry again bart but im verry conscient about the lot of default or stupid attitude specialy for french people! loland i hav lot of my family in usa and gemany so i understand quite well some sociologic facts...okok im what i am. but i will listen to you of course when i will try hydro


Posted By: thatguy
Date Posted: 02 September 2009 at 06:09
Going back to the start of this thread where the two plants were in the same rockwall cube, and ones roots over run the others which created the poor condition for one of the plants in the pot.
Im about to start using rockwall and wondered if the same rule applied with the roots if i had 2 plants , both in its own rockwall cube but was put into the same pot to save space in flowering room.


Posted By: DriveBy
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 11:41
If you put two plants 10l bucket what happens? Never tried I think the ones roots take over anothers and comes behind


Posted By: SIDEWAYS
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 12:38

on my 1st grow i grew bout 15 plants under a 600 watt light, 2 where in 7 litre pot and 3 was in a window box, rest in nft tank. but there was not sigficant difference in the yeild of the plants that where in the same pot.

 


Posted By: martiniGR
Date Posted: 15 September 2010 at 21:58
the best pots are those who have "walls"at the bottom!!
This makes the root to grow back in to the soil again, and again.
But now another question:
what is better if you replant a plant from a small square pot to a bigger square one
should i turn the plant 45 degrees or not?? The difference is that the roots in the corner grow further to the middle and the roots from the middle grow into the corners,what do you think about that?
replanting tip: put soil in the large pot, as much as full minus the hight of the small pot.
take an empty small pot and put it in the middle of the large pot,fill up the space around the small pot with soil and then press it a little, then the soil keeps in its form when you remove the empty small pot. Take a plant out of the small pot and it will fit exactly. Your plants will not get dirty with soil and the replanting goes faster.


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Posted By: angelababy
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 04:39
This was a good thread to Post. yes you could do a scientific experiment with two rooms but this is not needed. This can be seen from like as ganja shows, where one plant does not recieve adequete light and root space for developement.

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Posted By: martiniGR
Date Posted: 11 November 2010 at 18:51
DriveBy if you put 2 plants in one pot the plants go in competition, this can make the both stronger. If you turn the pot a few times aday they will grow to the same height.
If you buy a sack of soil you can use that as a container aswell.


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Posted By: Seek3r
Date Posted: 25 November 2010 at 15:20
Originally posted by martiniGR

the best pots are those who have "walls"at the bottom!!
This makes the root to grow back in to the soil again, and again.
But now another question:
what is better if you replant a plant from a small square pot to a bigger square one
should i turn the plant 45 degrees or not?? The difference is that the roots in the corner grow further to the middle and the roots from the middle grow into the corners,what do you think about that?
replanting tip: put soil in the large pot, as much as full minus the hight of the small pot.
take an empty small pot and put it in the middle of the large pot,fill up the space around the small pot with soil and then press it a little, then the soil keeps in its form when you remove the empty small pot. Take a plant out of the small pot and it will fit exactly. Your plants will not get dirty with soil and the replanting goes faster.


Legendary tip!  It's so simple.. nice.


Posted By: Dougalis
Date Posted: 24 April 2011 at 13:38
what do you mean by pots that have walls at the bottom? sorry tried googeling it and didn't come up with anything .
P>S sorry for bringing up an old thread (dunno if you people hate that or not)

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Posted By: martiniGR
Date Posted: 24 April 2011 at 14:03
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Legendary tip!  It's so simple.. nice.
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yes it is simple a brother of a friend of mine invented this  , new pots have mostly this system , try these pots people!!
edit "walls" :


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Posted By: TheDeparted
Date Posted: 24 April 2011 at 16:14
rolf harris eat ur heart out eh!lol
great advice martinin!


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Posted By: martiniGR
Date Posted: 24 April 2011 at 18:26
OK but what is the english word for these walls??

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Posted By: red662
Date Posted: 30 May 2011 at 20:50
yeah my first time was in a outdoor shed the night time didnt help with the temp drop(i live in ireland)the condensation it really hampered the yeild,every since its been in conditions i can control its so much better n u can kinda of know what to expect from each grow just by lookin at the dif stages of flowerin.
 
good post.


Posted By: Grooorrrrilllla
Date Posted: 24 June 2011 at 07:05
Yo Ganja! What's the difference between their "Health State"? To me they both look healthy, they juicy green with even no yellowish leaf at the lower part of the plant!!!
My last grow in 2007 was very difficult, couldn't manage to bring them through the veggie phase without yellowing at least a couple of the lower leafs. I used Advanced Hydroponics as nutes, plus ph control, maybe the nutes were too complex to use for me!?! Now I'm kinda trying going back to basics. I am using Canna Ferts A&B on Coco-Fluff, no ph control because I remember a grow back in 1997 that went very, very well with that....The current Strain is called Sensi Skunk!!!
My Seedlings are about 3-4 weeks old 12 cm in height, overall they're good looking but I'm afraid sometimes that I don't get them through veggie properly, I want them to be as dark green as possible, cause they gonna get yellowish leafs at the end of the flowi anyway. They showing some signs of nute deficiency at the time though, one middle finger at the tip shows downcurling attitude, its just a couple of mm, looks like a slight phosphorus def to me. Another one shows some decent orange yellowish spots at the first pair of leafs, maybe potassium def. Overall the green of the leafs looks quite too bright to me. I don't want it to be sick weed in the end. What shall I do?%3c3ctar
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Posted By: kwstas
Date Posted: 28 June 2011 at 08:45
hey guyz a have 2 questions for you!

1st.....what happens if i dont feed my plants during the flowering stage  ?  (and give them only water!) and
2nd.....what happens if i prolong the flowering stage a couple of weeks ?

thanks in advance
kk




Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 20 July 2011 at 10:13
1. If flowering plants are not fed, they won't produce anything worth smoking and will probably die before harvest time.

2. If the flowering stage is extended, buds will often become more relaxing and 'stoney'. Overall potency is usually reduced. Some plants may out out 'bananas' (partial male flowers) in an attempt to self-pollinate.


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Posted By: topsoil
Date Posted: 17 August 2011 at 05:33
What would be the minimum amount of time in extending flowering to get the relaxed stoney high and not lose to much potency?


Posted By: afutureoftruth420
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 03:59
great advise and great photos thank you very much. %3cmoking

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Posted By: doktadelic
Date Posted: 13 September 2011 at 20:52
Thanks Ganja

This is the chief problem with growing outdoors in the UK I guess - now that budding is underway there's no power left in the sun and the rains are coming.

Given that I cant control the weather if you have any other tips as to how to boost bud growth during this time I'd be keen to hear them


Posted By: CaveDog19
Date Posted: 22 September 2011 at 11:41
Yeh im having the same issue being in the UK myself. My plants are flowering and doing there thing, im feeding them and picking off all the dead leafs to avoid any kinda mold on my buds and to just simply make plant happy, But yeh getting colder, less power in sun, Im lucky in a sense as my plants are in pots so ive started to bring them in when its been raining too much or too cold, making sure they are in absolute pitch blackness etc.


Posted By: doktadelic
Date Posted: 24 September 2011 at 09:36
mine in pots too cavedog but the marvellous spring we had means they're way too big to move. On the bright side buds are coming along apace - in the last week they've got sticky and lovely! had some windfall and OMG it's good to be able to smoke some homegrown!! Just wondering now how long to leave the other's for - i'm hoping to get another week or two growth out of them before harvest. Good luck with your crop man!


Posted By: Helpme
Date Posted: 06 January 2012 at 15:40
Emm, can to much wind from fan slow growth of the plants? Dumb question but came into my mind as my babies are growing really slow.

I mean does a lot of shaking slow growth down? .. In vege..


Posted By: Ganja
Date Posted: 06 January 2012 at 16:25
Not usually. If anything, a constant gentle breeze should strengthen stems.

Seedlings shouldn't be blown over or waving violently back and forth, of cours,e but a constant gentle motion is good for them.

Seedlings often seem to be growing with glacial slowness in the early weeks. Don't worry too much about this. Make sure conditions - especially lights, air movement and watering  - are at the correct levels, and veg growth should accelerate rapidly as seedlings grow more, larger leaves.

One caveat - in warmer rooms and at lower humidity, fans on higher settings can cause 'wind burn', specially if the are not set to oscillate. If certain leaves are constantly in the path of the breeze, it can strip the water from their surface, and they can become frazzled, dessicated or acquire a burned look.



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Posted By: Helpme
Date Posted: 06 January 2012 at 22:37
Originally posted by Ganja

Not usually. If anything, a constant gentle breeze should strengthen stems.

Seedlings shouldn't be blown over or waving violently back and forth, of cours,e but a constant gentle motion is good for them.

Seedlings often seem to be growing with glacial slowness in the early weeks. Don't worry too much about this. Make sure conditions - especially lights, air movement and watering  - are at the correct levels, and veg growth should accelerate rapidly as seedlings grow more, larger leaves.

One caveat - in warmer rooms and at lower humidity, fans on higher settings can cause 'wind burn', specially if the are not set to oscillate. If certain leaves are constantly in the path of the breeze, it can strip the water from their surface, and they can become frazzled, dessicated or acquire a burned look.


Well, i'm having really slow growth of some other reason then. The growth has been going a bunch.. Else plants are fine so thats why I asked- the thing is pretty weird..

I think it coud be beacuse the roots wont get enough oxygen.. who knows.. But i'm to sketchy/ careful not to water in 2 days.. I think i'll give it a try..

Thanks for comment! New information, never heard of such as wind burn..


Posted By: gron93
Date Posted: 29 February 2012 at 13:36
hi ganja i have got small problem can you help my plant was lovely and green last night got up 2 day and the leafs are all turnd up and going bit yellow have you got any ider how 2 sort it iv got 400 hps and 200 watt led blue spec got a extractor wich attach to light at 1 sied all joind up with a carbonfilter wich joind to extract fan at out tekefan and got mylar all round my room its 3 foot long by 2 foot wide by 6 foot high and my plant is in byio mix soil in 7 leter pot can you help???? thanks barry????


Posted By: marty12345
Date Posted: 13 May 2012 at 10:50
Hi guys, just a quick question now it coming into summer the heat in grow room is getting hotter and my yealds are getting smaller due to heat stress, What is the best temp to keep flowering at in a grow room. i have fans and all that on the go is 27c the best temp ??????. cheers guys....%3co%20high 


Posted By: marty12345
Date Posted: 13 May 2012 at 10:55
Hi guys, just a quick question the temps in my grow room are getting hotter and hotter due to summer coming and its causing heat stress and smaller yelds i have fans and all that i just want to know what is best temps for flowering stage in a grow room.. cheers
 


Posted By: breizh ganja
Date Posted: 18 May 2012 at 09:18
23 celsius degrees to 26 is the top !

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Posted By: COLLIE77
Date Posted: 01 August 2012 at 17:15
Originally posted by bennybjc

this thread make no sense to me both those plants are in the same pot and are grown under the same light therefore having the same conditions all it is showing is that the bigger plant had a better start to life and it is closer to the light thus having the more mature bigger buds on it? I know having poor conditions slows down flowering but if there were poor conditions here dont you think both plants would be showing the same signs of slow maturation?? so realy you are just stating the obvious? all parts of the plant that dont receive as much light as the other parts mature slower...... 


Posted By: COLLIE77
Date Posted: 01 August 2012 at 17:19
Originally posted by bennybjc

this thread make no sense to me both those plants are in the same pot and are grown under the same light therefore having the same conditions all it is showing is that the bigger plant had a better start to life and it is closer to the light thus having the more mature bigger buds on it? I know having poor conditions slows down flowering but if there were poor conditions here dont you think both plants would be showing the same signs of slow maturation?? so realy you are just stating the obvious? all parts of the plant that dont receive as much light as the other parts mature slower...... 
LMFAO TY GENIUS think before you speak comes to mind


Posted By: COLLIE77
Date Posted: 01 August 2012 at 17:22
sry nt spamming crazy moment with my mouse


Posted By: COLLIE77
Date Posted: 01 August 2012 at 17:23
Originally posted by sarah louise

Ganja, I blame public education... experimental method is not part of the general science curriculum and you aren't allowed to beat them when they are being twats.

Zinc might help.


LOL so true


Posted By: justmethen
Date Posted: 26 October 2012 at 19:11
nice example with the photos .ph remarks helpfull too ganja rock on thnks.

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